There are those who say “once saved always saved: you can’t be born into the family of God and then be unborn. Then there are those who say that if you decided to walk away from God after years of devotion you just were never saved to start with. I don’t hold to either one of those views. I believe you must do as God instructs you to do or you will die again to your sins and I believe that after days, weeks, or even years of devotion if you walk away from God you will lose your salvation and by no means does that mean that you were not saved to start with. The only way your salvation is secure is if you always love God with all our heart, mind, and soul and love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:37-40).
2 Peter 2:20—For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, then, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
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Gail,
A timely warning for those whom are under powerful deception. It should be our earnest prayer that folk would come out from such arch deceivers as Charles Stanley. As you well know, I alerted you to this man's errant teachings. This stems ENTIRELY from the doctrine known as 'Dispensationalism', the ramifications and the tentacles that flow from this errant theology that is contrary to the abiding Word of God have spread to places that we cannot conceive. I know of some; this false interpretation of 'rightly dividing' God's Holy Word, which would have us believe in a pre tribulation rapture; that we are 'not under law'; we are 'saved' even though we become unbelievers!
Need I say more?
Scripture clearly indicates in a number of places that our names can be blotted out of the book of life , it also states that if He did not spare the natural branches then what about us grafted in branches. The NT is full of clarifications on this subject matter. There are Christians living in adultery, this makes them adulterers and scripture states no adulterer will enter heaven, there s no such thing as shameful redemption. Jesus commands us to keep His commands, to be holy, may His grace never stop working in me. Amen.
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Hi Colin,
What you say is so true. There are so many under the spell of once saved always saved and like you said it stems from Dispensationalism like so many other false beliefs. I can’t understand why anyone would think for one minute that is the way it is: clearly the Bible teaches otherwise. The whole chapter of Matthew 25 is parables that explain what will happen if one doesn’t do right toward God and their neighbor. Carolyn on DTW put it nicely: (I’m putting it my words), she said that there are stipulations to staying saved so that God isn’t obligated to give us the things of life if we turn from Him. I say, He had rules for the Israelites why wouldn’t He have rules for us?
As far as Charles Stanley goes I cannot believe he is so messed up. I was under the impression for a long time he was one of the good guys until you sent me that email about him. It is such a sad thing too because he is a really good preacher in his mannerism but as you said that is what makes him so dangerous. I am so glad to know the truth about this man and I pray many more come to the same knowledge.
God Bless!
Thank you for commenting Tommy! I apologize for my comment being posted before yours I hadn’t seen you had left one until a few minutes ago.
You are absolutely right; scripture is full of places that contradict OSAS. I pray that all come to the truth of this!
I read the article that you left the link to and it is very beautiful and inspiring. I hope that all those who pass through here takes the time to read it. Thank you!
God Bless!
Thank you Gail.
Grace and peace through Jesus be with you.
Gail,
I have finally re-settled, though I have much still to do, haven't we all?
I have been trawling through some comments, it is interesting your mention of Carolyn on DTW; she has had a BIG fall with Deborah and Thomas. I always believed she was on the right path: You ARE right; she did put it nicely? They are constantly bickering on about who is saved, and who isn't, they have no peace, it would seem?
Also J.C. from LDW has had a big fall out with DTW, and has removed his link to her (over the Trinity)! How petty is all this? All this infighting because they haven't grasped the doctrines of grace? I note your old friend RM is currently firing salvos at B.M!
However, I must say that I don't agree (as you know) with Bob's teachings about UFO's, Nephillim, and his reliance upon the book of Enoch.
And by the way, I think it a waste of time trying to communicate with Redeemed? I think she has been blinded by Mr Ironside?
May we all grow in grace and truth?
Hi Colin,
I apologize for taking so long to get back with you. It sure is good to hear from you! I’m glad you have gotten moved; that is a job. I’m thankful I have been in the same place for fifteen years and have no foreseeable plans of moving anywhere else for a long time: being that is the will of God?
I thought maybe J.C. and DTW had some sort of thing but I didn’t know what about. I noticed he hasn’t commented on her blog lately and when I visited his blog after realizing that, I found it interesting he wrote an article on demonstrating love at discernment blogs etc... I put two and two together and I got dispute: lol.
When I visit DTW I look at a few particular pages to read the comments; those mainly talking about the rapture and as you have probably noticed I comment very rarely. It is really disturbing how much arguing there is and how prideful and judgmental the regulars of that site are. It hurts my feelings when I read some of the stuff that is said particularly pertaining to non believers of the pre-trib rapture it’s not only on there it is on the Rapture Ready site. The saddest part is they believe they are in the right? I mean who are they to say I’m angry and hate them because I don’t believe in the pre-trib? Who are they to say I am trying to take away their blessed hope??? Who are they to say I don’t read my Bible and I listen to what some man with the wrong information had to say? And last but not least by any means, who are they to say I’m lost. If I were still a believer in the pre-trib I certainly would not look to DTW or Rapture Ready for guidance because of these self-righteous remarks alone. In case anyone reading this would like to know where to find these comments I got references. Colin I’m sure you have read some them for yourself.
As far as Carolyn goes she told me I took her completely wrong and we haven’t conversed since.
Yep…, Ole… Robert… he really can be very obnoxious sometimes.
I don’t know to what extent B.M. relies on the Book of Enoch but I believe he is right by at least paying it attention. There are many extra books that have been written over time that I believe should be used in the study of God’s Word especially if they are quoted in the New Testament.
God Bless!
I would like to post this is love and in complete understanding of not believing in a pretrib rapture. I too could not see it all in any of the scripture that everyone claims is the "rapture" scripture. Clearly the scripture they reference is AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS... you will see Jesus in the clouds and He will send the angels to gather His elect..etc..Yes After the tribulation not 7 years before.
Well...in my delving into scripture the Lord truly showed me there is a rapture and it is not "everyone that thinks they are Christians" that will be rapture as he also clearly states in scripture that only some will be "found worthy to escape all these things"...The Lord showed me that there truly is a rapture and the ONLY verse that states it specifically is Revelation 12:5. The Man Child of that scripture represents two groups of people. The "Man" are the 144,000 and the "Child" are the Overcomers in the Church of Philadelphia that he promises protection. They are literally caught up to the throne of God. The "woman" then flees to the wilderness. This woman is the lukewarm church. Those that think they are saved. Therefore the "elect" that Jesus gathers at the very last day are those that truly do not denounce their faith in the 3.5 years of the great tribulation. They get left behind for the GT ( not seven years) and they do not falter in their now VERY STRONG faith. I can say this and can also tell you today the Lord has told me I am going to be part of the "man" group to be here to shout the news of JESUS. The Lord has been training me in so many ways these last few years since He made me aware of this. I was told this in September 2012 and He has literally be "molding" me daily for what he is preparing me for. The rapture is like I said ONLY for those that are walking the walk and not just talking the talk. Again, I sure understand why you don't see a rapture, but I had been studying Revelation 12 for about a year trying to figure out who the "man child" was...until after many many months the Lord helped me to first of all discern the truth of it and then to tell me of what he has prepared for me. Pray, seek the Lord and the Holy Spirit. He will tell you if this is truly who the man child is and if this is truly a rapture. The overcomers that are following him WILL be caught up to the throne of God right before the GT starts. the final 3.5 years.
I also agree ...NO not once saved always saved. and I can also say I was one of those that would have been spewed out of his mouth. The story of my conversion ( this last one that was on Easter Sunday 2011) is quite a transformation that is still ongoing today. I am so grateful for the Lord that He will take us BACK into his loving arms once we choose not to walk with him no more.
John 6:66...AND THEY WALKED WITH HIM NO MORE.
Yes you can choose to loose your salvation.
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